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TRINITY HOAX? -an introduction

Excellent recent work by one Douglas Dean Johnson:

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-file-the-reme-baca-smoking-gun-interview/

By Douglas Dean Johnson

@ddeanjohnson on Twitter

Original publication: May 20, 2023. Any substantive changes or updates after that date are summarized in a log that appears at the end of the article.

Less than a year before going public with what became the Jacques Vallee-Paola Harris story of the 1945 crash of an avocado-shaped UFO, Reme Baca was tape-recorded peddling a very different story about a boyhood encounter that he and Jose Padilla had with a very different sort of UFO: a tale of their discovery of a classical flying saucer, crashed-- in 1946. And that's just the start.

You are in the Crash Story Files, a series of investigative reports examining claims that a UFO crashed and was recovered near San Antonio, New Mexico, in August 1945. These claims were given wide circulation by the book Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret, by Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris (2021, 2022). To go to the Crash Story hub story, The Trinity UFO Crash Hoax (May 1, 2023), which contains an index to the complete series of Crash Story Files, click here.

(May 20, 2023) Less than a year before Remigio (Reme) Baca and Joseph Lopez (Jose) Padilla first went public with their story of witnessing a UFO crash and recovery as young boys, in New Mexico in August 1945, Reme Baca tried to interest a well-known writer of popular works on the Roswell Incident, Thomas J. Carey, in an eyewitness account of Baca and Padilla encountering a crashed UFO when they were boys.

But in a revelation that will shock many, the "eyewitness" account that Reme Baca presented to Thomas J. Carey—who audio-recorded it—was very different from the UFO-crash story that Baca and Padilla presented to the public less than one year later. That later public version has reached large audiences in recent years, due mainly its promotion by the book Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret, by Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris (First Edition June 2021; Second Edition August 2022).

In retrospect, it appears that what Baca presented to Carey was what might be regarded an unsuccessful first draft of the hoax tale. After Carey failed to take the bait (which followed earlier such failures by Baca), Baca clearly made extensive revisions in his script, producing a more complex and interesting story. In the revised story, key characters went forth with a different purpose, in a different year, encountered very different situations, and did very different things than in the version that Carey recorded. It is only the extensively revamped version that the public has ever heard, beginning in late 2003.

To summarize what is documented below, and in the embedded primary source material: In the narrative offered by Baca to Carey, the boys set off one summer day in 1946 (yes, 1946, not 1945), in a pickup truck (not on horses), to visit Ground Zero (!). Quite unexpectedly (no predicate unusual sounds or lights are reported), they come upon a big disk (not an "avocado") on the ground, with a hole in it, and glimpse some entities that look "like bugs." They return the next day with Padilla's father and a State Police officer, but somebody has covered up the disk with dirt, so the State Police officer turns and leaves without even glimpsing the craft. In subsequent days, young soldiers load debris onto "trailers." One night the two boys sneak onto one of the trailers, at a location specifically stated not to be the crash site, and remove the artifact that figures prominently in the later public version of the story. In his account to Carey, Baca never describes any human entering the disk... much more here:

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-file-the-reme-baca-smoking-gun-interview/